Cortés vs Moctezuma: should an empire conquer or endure?

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HERNÁN CORTÉS vs MOCTEZUMA II go head to head — and every jab is rooted in real history.

HERNÁN CORTÉS

Your city dazzled me, but a throne built on tribute and dread is a throne waiting to be taken.

MOCTEZUMA II

You call it dread; my people called it order, and my lake-city ran on canals while your ships rotted in the harbor.

HERNÁN CORTÉS

Order that greeted strangers as gods invites its own undoing—I simply walked through the door you held open.

MOCTEZUMA II

And through that door came not conquest but plague and ash; you did not defeat an empire, Cortés, you outlived one you could never have built.

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